improving your mix

blondie · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: improving your mix

hi all.im really getting in to making my own bait.i have a basic balanced bait based on petes recipie(with the help of dean)

.i understand the basics and importance of flaa,s,oils to use and some addatives to use for the carp to ivestigate(chemoreception,feeding triggers ect).i want to create and put my own "label" on my mix to get the very best from it catching wise and of course benefit to the carp.what are your thoughts on blending spices(eg chili,fenugreek amchoor)oil wise cod liver oil and sesame ect or any others that people could recomend or point me in the right direction. maybe sugars?many thanks.steve

lucilastic · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject:

Don't get into Sugars Steve.....

On this forum schadenfreude rules.....

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The Hunter's Moon · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject:

Blondie
Why label a good mix ?? I’m not sure that all these could be classed as labels as such
As I tend to think labels as being flavours.. but maybe a few to play around with & mix together, some work better as dips like marmite… but nothing ground breaking……As I’m far from being an expert in the bait making game

….But as with garlic some may add something else to your mix…

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Pete will properly have a few as he’s ancient…….

Chilli
Paprika
Cayenne,
Fenugreek
Turmeric
Asafoetida
Garam masala
Cumin

Garlic
Hemp oil
Black pepper oil

Gravy powders
Sea salt
Belechan

Marmite
N butyric acid
Milk shake powders etc

Sugars……. One for Luci me thinks……He loves Sugar……..

Fructose
Black strap molasses..... by far the best bream attractor I have used Mwraahaha

Why some of them work thats when the headache’s start

try looking for common links

lucilastic · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject:

Steve....the perceived wisdom is that since Carp do not produce
Insulin,a sugar regulatory mechanism,it therefore follows that sugar
cannot be considered in terms of viability.

Luci....Sugar....

.....Schadenfreude... See above..

Stick with the Alkaloids....

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The Hunter's Moon · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject:

Stick with the Alkaloids……….

yep you will soon be reaching for them if you spend too much time in the world of bait science & big words LOL

Luci
Sugars… I have an open mind …….

lucilastic · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject:

Chilli ..... Paprika.... Cayenne.... Fenugreek.... Turmeric.... Asafoetida...

Cumin.... Garlic.... Hemp Oil....Black Pepper Oil....

Common Link ?.......

Alkaloids....

I am pleased at your open mind regarding Sugar...

..Because the perceived wisdom is Boll..ks.....

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blondie · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

label was probably the wrong word to use.i just want to make my bait a bit different by mixing spices and oils .i dont want to use a flavour.i do use belechan(only when the wifes out

)also use molasses.should not of mentioned sugars :roll LOL

.cheers.steve

PeteB · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?i...;resnum=4&ct=result#PPA298,M1

Luci.... No insulin for a carp?? cripes!

Sugars are important, monosaccharide and possibly disaccharide only according to my reading from a detection point of view...Polysaccharides appear to be a waste of space unless you can give me a pointer Luci...

Always willing and open to learn...

Labels... avoid obvious ones, ones that do not offer a food source, your bait will stand out, that is not the intention, get them eating it because they believe it's food and solely because of that... food signals are predominantly amino acids... cripes!

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Happy Carping

Pete
BCSG & KIBIK

blondie · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject:

hi pete.i know you have been interested in monosaccarides before(glucose,dextrose,fructose ect)glucose is an interesting one.its readily fermented by yeast producing ethl alcohol and carbon dioxide.i think there was a test somewhere where carp could detect carbon dioxide.i think ive read that right

.is it worth putting extra aminos(minamino ect),even if your base mix has all the required or near enough aminos.does this give off a sort of saturated food signal

.tell me if im going wrong

.cheers.steve

lucilastic · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject:

Palatal chemoreceptors in carp are highly sensitive to Carbon Dioxide..

....So What?.... how is this utilisable ? ....

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lucilastic · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject:

I know a way.........

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blondie · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject:

would it be an investagate trigger.you have got me thinking lucilastic.go easy on me im only a learner

.willing to learn though

.cheers.steve

lucilastic · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

Carbon Dioxide in water stimulates Palatal taste receptors....other than
those for acid....

Why?......

Well...perhaps it is not necessary to know why..... although several
avenues of thought present themselves....

That it does is enough......

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blondie · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject:

how much glucose would you use in a bait.would it be worth while using it with yeast to create carbon dioxide for that effect on the palatal receptors?

..cheers steve.carbon dioxide does worry me though

.cheers.steve

lucilastic · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject:

Your mind begins to expand.....

Good.....

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The Hunter's Moon · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:44 am Post subject:

Pete
A/A’s another day when the Alkaloids have kicked in LOL

… Parts say’s yes

but as you know I still have misconceptions

………regarding the passage of ……& the affects of water boohoo

….It all seems to go back to -/+ at present

Luci
The 'bacterial battery'

blondie · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject:

some thought provoking info guys

.i also enjoyed the garlic thread aswell.maybe a discusion on other ingriediants.anything that that would be of benefit to your mix.what would be your favourite addition?.cheers.steve

lucilastic · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject:

What powers the battery?......

Steve....the Sodium salt of Glutamic Acid....

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blondie · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject:

can you get it from a chinese supermarket by chance luci

.something used in in chinese cooking prehaps

.cheers.steve

blondie · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:

what about bromelain?that looks interesting.cheers.steve

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