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| PeteB |
Nil, Niet, Non, Nothing,....is the result of Chelski's season... Discuss.... 
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| Steve Howard |
How you have the nerve to try to take the piss is totally beyond me Pete...
So what, manure won the CL on penalties, yes, penalties because they quite simply weren't good enough, and couldn't and didn't beat Chelsea. full stop. they needed the luck of the 'toss of a coin' 'a complete lottery'. end of. But please feel free to display your mentality further, trust me though, it does you no favours and your gloating, rather than just celebrating your dose of good luck is rather a sad reflection on you m8. Seriously, penalties are no way to decide a cup, it's completely against what football is all about. Football is a TEAM game, and the outcome of any such tournament should never be decided by INDIVIDUALS. I've always said it, and always will, its simply wrong and degrades the whole competition. |
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| Ben |
it has to be decided some way or another they cant go on playing all night neither side was good enough to beat each other and its not like they didnt have enough time to do it either 2 hours of playing time! penaltys is a good way of deciding it and i dont think you can get a much more exciting way to do it, people can complain all they like about penaltys but if you win in normal time your not going to need it! |
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| richchappy |
as a non biast individual, the penalties was a bit daft, you cant say either team deserved to win,
both cocked up at times, i had to laugh at ronaldo, too cocky for his own good, and then bursts into tears, the diving poof... chelsea should have finished it, but were unlucky, so hey ho, |
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| fullylove007 |
i feel chelsea were the better team but we couldnt take our chances 1 of the positives i think chelsea can take from the game is that Avram Grant showed he isnt this quite little manager everyon thinks he is by at the end of the game he debrifed his team in a passionnate way and didnt just mop around looking sorry for himself. | ||||||||||
| JAFFA |
Here we go again. You had NONE of the first half and should have been 3-1 down by half time. Grant will be replaced, rightly or wrongly, he will be replaced. kind regards Jeff |
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| jimbob |
but chelsea where the better team in the second half?fullylove007 your right the way chelsea played with passion and belief it was inspiring.i wanted chelsea to win cause i hate ronaldo.you see how much it meant to terry | ||||||||||
| Ben |
yeah blimmin poofter, balling his eyes out lol i heard about an interview rio ferdinand had and stated "the european trophy is like a chocolate orange. Its not terrys, its mine" 
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| PeteB |
Steve, I expected a bite... not from a 40lb pike though...
Penalties... not the way to decide a major trophy, but something's got to break deadlock... Terry's was poor, Ronaldo's a disaster, Anelka's was just plain shocking....
You reckon I'm gloating.. maybe...  but a double... that's worth gloating about... 8) just to think, all that research you did regarding statistics meant nothing...  The best team won in the end though... 
Anyway there's always next season to look forward to and guess at who's going to have an empty trophy cupboard.... 
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| Steve Howard |
Fair play, I can fully see why, as a chelsea fan you'd feel that chelsea were the better team, I've no problem at all with that 
The thing for me was that we started slowly, unfortunately handing the initiative to united from 10 minutes into the game until 10 minutes before half time, when the balance of play was even, chances even, score even, possession up to 20 mins to chelsea, 25 mins or more to united in my estimations. Second half was predominantly chelsea, but united had their moments, and I'd say 30 mins belonged to chelsea 15 to united, chances pretty much even, better ones being missed by united but more chances falling to chelsea. Extra time was again, very slightly in favour of chelsea, but it is extremely difficult to seperate the teams due to the fact that they both had spells of domination that could have, and possibly should have, produced goals. It is my honest assessment that neith teams fans can justify a claim that their team was the better team, neither team deserved to lose imo... a brilliant, pulsating advert for premier league football... there is nothing to seperate these teams, nothing. LADY LUCK is (and was last night  ) the deciding factor between these two heavyweights, nothing more nothing less, and anyone who thinks differently, quite bluntly, is either biased or a fool... or both.
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| PeteB |
So let's have a prediction for next season.... Premier league.....Same as...
Man Utd Chelski Le Arse Sniverpool Champions League final... Man U vs Barcelona (they will not meet us until the final)
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| Steve Howard |
You quite obviously weren't watching, were you. JT slipped, his left foot giving way as he struck the ball... 'poor'??? Yeah, POOR bloody LUCK!
There's only one thing worse than a bad loser, Pete, shall I spell it out for ya m8
No, I can't guess m8, please allow us that insight into the future Pete, I'm sure that your plastic manc arrogance will make interesting reading.
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| Steve Howard |
PeteB... the new cure for insomniacs.
[note to self: PLEASE remember to instal YAWNING emoticon!] 
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| fullylove007 |
Chelsea were the better team, yes man.u had the first half but we had the second and both halves of the extra time and yes we could have been 3-1 down by half time if you had any decent strikers 
And as steve howard ha said you won by luck, im also not so sure if he will get replaced as i think by getting to the cl final he has won over the fans |
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| JAFFA |
Van der sar actually SAVED the penalty and there was NO luck involved in that. Steve to my mind is pretty much spot on with his assessment, neither team shone over the other and neither team dominated, although there were odd periods where BOTH teams dominated. I have red blood in my veins and have supported Man United for over 45 years now. Did we deserve to win?......We did because of the penalty shoot out, both teams missed a penalty and the ONLY difference between the two teams on the night, was the save by Van der Sar. Mr Loverman, your ever so slightly blinkered
kind regards Jeff |
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| jimbob |
i dont really know how you can predict it when there is the whole summer for teams to buy players to strengthen there squad.or buy the title in some teams terms.for man utd if ronaldo and rooney make there squad the rest are all good squad players.if ronaldo goes you buggared!Arsenal they all good squad players that together make a brilliant team and where unlucky this year.they look like they will be bringing in a few players as well. but liverpool will sneak up alot closer that previous years |
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| Steve Howard |
Easy. You don a pair of red tinted glasses
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| Steve Howard |
You forget just one small thing though Jeff, had Terry not slipped, it was all over... a bit unlucky, to say the least, and you were fortunate that it continued from there. |
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| JAFFA |
That's football Steve and as we both know, it is often either a piece of luck or misfortune that decides games like this one.
kind regards Jeff |
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| craftycarper |
Found this on the web I though it was rather funny
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| Ben |
lol haha | ||||||||||
| JAFFA |
I rest my case. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7418774.stm kind regards Jeff |
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| Steve Howard |
Hmm, and I'm going to predict that the FA cup final is played at Wembley next year... you wait and see... I bet it will be.
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| Mac |
Chelseas new phone number is 101010
won nowt won nowt won nowt
An old one I know but still makes me chuckle
As for pens deciding agame, find something else that is as nerve racking. When you win on them it's the best thing and if you lose its the worst. Stu Pearce has said he loves a penalty shoot out and its the best way to decide a game after extra time. And look what happened to him in 1990 :? |
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| Steve Howard |
There's only one thing worse than manc fans gloating, and that is media led, temporary psuedo mancs joining in.
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| pvabagger |
NO-one's mentioned this, and I know it's a cliche, but seriously, who's side was the ref on!?!? He was appaling, giving every decision to Utd!   
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| carfty carper no15 |
utd utd utd haha | ||||||||||
| Steve Howard |
Erm, it's one of those things that, especially when you're a Chelsea fan, you just have to accept. You know it's going to be like that before the game even kicks off - it's frustrating - but what's new? |
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| pvabagger |
I know, and I don't think Fergie having a go at him at half-time helped
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| Steve Howard |
I'd like one of our man u fans to justify exactly why this obvious penalty wasn't awarded.
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/...C022DDCE5B41D890E284831B75F48EF45 And that is not to mention Evra elbowing Joe Cole in the face off the ball as a throw-in was about to be taken, and Tevez striking Makelele in the face. He needed a dose of the smelling salts after it. |
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| fullylove007 |
I cant be bothered to defend chelsea corner anymore when our chairman is going to sack the manager at the end of every season if they dont win every cup there in plus the league. ive also heard that the members of the board room are trying to sign robinho without any manager even in charge if there going to do this then why doesnt mr abramovich become the manager himself.
keyons quote of " coming runners up in two cups and second in the league is not good enough for chelsea" reli annoys me because i think that is quite good for what grant had to deal with and to be following a manager like mourinho must have been hard aswell.
im even considering seeing what are the odds on chelsea comin fourth in the league next year and not winning any cups.
thats my moan over
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| Steve Howard |
To be fair, I don't think that Grant was ever going to be in the job after the season had finished irrispective of what the team won or not. He was brought to the club from portsmouth simply to be there should Mourihno walk.
There's no doubt in my mind that JM had threatened to walk out because he didnt get his own way, and Grant was placed there simply as insurance. Jose kicked up yet again, and the writing was on the wall, Grant knowingly stepped in with a '4 year' contract to create a smokescreen just until the end of the season, and the rest is history. The club are the percieved wrong doers here, but Jose should have been sacked at the end of last season... not because of results, but his attitude, he was given the benefit of the doubt and kept on wrongly imo, if he had been sacked before then, this mess wouldn't have ensued. |
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| fullylove007 |
[quote="Steve Howard"]To be fair, I don't think that Grant was ever going to be in the job after the season had finished irrispective of what the team won or not.quote]
so your saying that if chelsea had won the league, champions league and the carling cup you would have still thought grant to be sacked at the end of the season. |
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| Steve Howard |
No, I'm not saying that at all. And I feel that Avram more than caused a problem for the club by doing so much better than anyone could have imagined in their wildest dreams... He wasn't supposed to do that, and had he won the CL or Prem, I think they 'might' just have given him another year to prove it wasnt a fluke.
In my personal opinion, I feel sorry for the guy as I feel he did enough to warrant another year, but by the same token, he knew that he was only here for the rest of the season, so although he might be a little disappointed, he'll understand the situation perfectly. He's a good guy and went about stabilising the team at a crucial time in a very good way, so he deserves a lot of praise for that, and i'm sure the severance package will be a bit special from his mate Roman, who owes him a debt of gratitude... don't feel sorry for him, thank him and be happy for him that he's now a millionaire!!!
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| richchappy |
but how much of there problems is the fact they have so much money, they can afford nre players all the while and as soon as the team has got settled they shuffle around and have new managers each year, and im sure they have different approaches, surely they would be best off getting the best team they can and letting them develop as a team | ||||||||||
| Steve Howard |
Money? - They spent less than Man U and Liverpool last year, and the squad size is very similar to both...
And if you're talking about 'rotation' of players not being a good thing, ask Raffa! Chelsea don't "change manager every year" Rich. It didnt work out with Jose, thats all, and read the above about Grant... who was nothing more than a stop-gap or caretaker manager until we could get the right man.
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| Beaky |
Children,children...please...... 
Now pick your toys up,put them back in the pram and play nice now 
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| fullylove007 |
I think what rich is trying to say is that you need to give the manager a decent chance in order to suceed, and he is right as much as it hurts me to say this ferguson and wenger have been given the backing of the board for ages and they have suceeded in the most part. And if mr Abramovich wants to do the treble or even the double then he is going to have to stick with a manager for a decent amount of time. | ||||||||||
| richchappy |
i know nowt about football, and i dont want to, just thought i would imput on it haha | ||||||||||
| fullylove007 |
you made a good point though
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| Steve Howard |
lol - I can see where you're coming from and why you'd say that tbh, but there's no doubt in my mind that Avram Grant was only a caretaker manager until the end of season. Unfortunately for Chelsea, he did a much much better job than they thought he would and now they have been left with egg on their faces because of it. There was never any doubt in my mind that he wasn't going to be replaced at the end of the season, and despite whatever AG did, a new manager was coming in regardless. As for long-term, yes, Chelsea want stability, thats why they gave mourihno a 10 year contract... it's just a shame that he isn't the sort that can stay in employment for more than a few short years...
I'm not too sure WHO I would like the next manager to be now... my choice would be Guus Hiddink, but it appears that he's happy where he is... we'll see, but as you say, i hope he is good enough and stays around for a while! |
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| Mac |
Gus Hiddink would be my choice too Steve (If I was a Chelsea fan) I wouldn't like to see Rikkarrd there, if he hasn't done enough to prove himself for me.
What do you think to the paper talk about Roy Keane going to Chelsea? |
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| Steve Howard |
Just that, Mark, paper talk... The British press are under pressure to come up with 'something' on Chelsea, and in the absence of anything tangible, they merely speculate on THE BEST TEAM IN EUROPE. 8)
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| wuzy |
Steve you go on about people having a blinkered view, but my god you cant find anything wrong with Chelsea, how blinkered is that!!
to state the obvious that AG was only holding the fort until another decent manager became available, is not insight, it was obvious the final was exciting watching from a nutral point of view and to finish on penalties is not right either, but you cant keep playing football till someone scores, the injuries to the players would be stupid and they do cost a pretty penny, plus it would not be good to have a replay it needed to be finished on the night for the fans sake, to travel to Moscow and have no result at the end of it would of seemed like a waste of time and of course money, as i know it was not cheap over there |
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| Steve Howard |
What we have here is a mini-media hype going down... If someone says it enough, people begin to believe it! Problem being that it's nigh-on impossible trying to have a 'sensible' debate with the media sheep who think that the anti-chelsea propoganda they read in the red tops, is true! 
Well, it obviously wasn't 'that# obvious, or else I would have had no reason to explain it wuzy
There MUST be a better way of deciding these things wuzy... even the golden-goal is a better option, and there probably would have been one if it were the case in moscow, because both teams would have gone for it big time. |
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| fullylove007 |
I would like to see Mark Hughes be the next manager but i think he is waiting for the united job.
What i am surprised about is that Steve Clarke the Chelsea assitant manager hasnt been talked about as the next manaer because think about it all the players respect him he knows the club in side out and he is loyal cause he has been there in the worst of times as well as the best. |
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| JAFFA |
He may well have a long wait then, cause there is one name stamped all over that job buddy and it aint his
kind regards Jeff |
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| Steve Howard |
Care to speculate on that then, Jeff?
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| fullylove007 |
there probably isnt anyone he just wants to disagree with me
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| JAFFA |
Steve you do understand that I am referring to the United bit of lovers posting. He would do a great job at Chelsea, as he has done at Blackburn and the Welsh job. Sparky was a player I admired a lot, did it the right way and led by example. He appears to be pretty much the same as a manager, has respect of players, seems to be straight when he talks, handles the media well. Good candidate if you ask me buddy
Time will tell eh?
kind regards Jeff |
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| pvabagger |
TBH I think the Chelski job has Rijkard's name all over it
Or, even better, Abramovich has been having "cosy little chats" with the special one (Jose) according to the Sun. Could it be, the second coming???
Although I doubt Abramovich would come crawling back to him
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| Steve Howard |
Jeff: Hughes is also a lifelong Chelsea fan Still don't think he'll get the job though, personally.
My preference would be Guus Hiddink, who certainly has all the experience and credentials. pvabagger: I really do hope it isn't Rijkaard, imo, he has burnt out and needs a year out... much the same as mourihno imo. |
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| pvabagger |
Yeah, I know what you mean about Rijkard, but I'd love to see Mourinho back in the hotseat, reckon he'll be back with a vengeance
Seriously doubt it'll happen though |
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| JAFFA |
I give up, cause most if not everything i say is taken the wrong way. I was merely pointing out that Hughes wont get the United job and trying to say that he is a good enough candidate for the Chelsea job. Not that he would get it, or would get it. Leave it to ya guys
kind regards Jeff |
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| Steve Howard |
What makes you think I took what you said the wrong way m8?
I added to what you said with "and he's a lifelong chelsea fan" which should have indicated that i agreed with you, and then agrred again by adding "I still don't think he'll get it though" Jeff, we agree on it ya doofus!
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| pvabagger |
Rumour in The Independent...
Now that I'd like to see
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| JAFFA |
Cant see it happening.
kind regards Jeff |
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| pvabagger |
Nah, me neither, I can always hope though
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| carfty carper no15 |
i think zola would make a good assistant but i think the next manager for chelsea will be Roberto Mancini | ||||||||||