carfty carper no15
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best team in the worldwho is the best team in the world and why?
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jimbob
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club or country?
club-well the thing is if the south american teams could hang on to there players they would be by a long shot but they cant because the players know they can make more of a career in europe.i think though arsenal,man u,inter milan,real madrid,and barcelona and all very close so its a tough call.
country-germany just seem to be solid in every postion.podolski and klose world class.schweimsteiger,ballack,lahm to name a few.they are a great team and play together so it would have to be them.brazil have lot there spark abit but are still up there then france,italy,argentina closly follow then spain,holland,portugal behind them.
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carfty carper no15
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germany????? they are not the best country team in the world
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jimbob
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who do you think then.let me guess portugal because ronaldo plays for them?
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carfty carper no15
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tbh i think portugal do have some great players but they are not the best team in the world, also i not sure who is the best team i think it is either italy or argentina.
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Steve Howard
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Can't agree with any of you at all on this guys... it is a very subjective question which depends entirely on who is actually in the team on the day, and how they perform on the day... no team has the sole right to be tagged as 'the best team in the world' indefinitely, or even temporarily.
The best team in the world isn't even the one who wins the world cup... they were just the better of the two teams who were lucky enough to be in the final, and won on the day. 
As far as regularly 'good teams' go, we have to accept Italy, Germany and Brazil as the best three performers, as their track record proves, but to say that any of those is currently 'the best team in the world' is patently wrong... i.e., as I type, Italy are being thrashed by Holland
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JAFFA
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I think a lot of what Steve has posted is spot on. Over a period of time, the better team "normally" shows to be the best.
No better proof than our own domestic league to see that 
kind regards Jeff
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Steve Howard
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You quote that as 'proof' Jeff, but Man U picked up two trophies this season by the skin of their teeth... the narrowest of margins imaginable...
You missed my point, trophies in themselves, as I said in my post, do not mean it was the better team, just the more fortunate in many cases.
I can cite many many instances where the better of two teams in a cup match lost
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Mac
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Whilst I agree to say someone is the best in the world is a very loose statement, I do feel league table do not lie.
This season
Manure were the best team in the Prem.
West Brom were the best team in the Championship.
Argentina are officially ranked number 1 in the World.
All 3 teams have been beaten at some stage.
I know each team can moan about the bad luck they had, the dodgy decisions, the wrong decisions, injuries etc etc a cup competetion is whoever is best on the day where as a league generally finds out who is the best team (or squad) 
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Beaky
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Tranmere Rovers.....well Liverpool really 
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jimbob
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no one wana say England lmfao
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fullylove007
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England have the best players but as a team there not so great
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Mac
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| fullylove007 wrote: | | England have the best players but as a team there not so great |
Which players are they then FL007 
We don't have a world class keeper
Terry and Ferdinand (imo) would both get into virtually any team in the world
Lampard, brilliant for his club, for whatever reason not quite as proficient for Country.
Gerrard, (imo) Englands best player by far and is World Class (Light the blue touch paper and stand well back when Mr Howard reads this  )
Rooney, bags of potential but has to do a hell of a lot more before he can even be considered World Class
Owen, had the makings after such a brilliant international start but too njury prone now
A player I do rate and (imo) does have some huge potential is Tom Huddlestone at Spurs. They signed him from us (Derby) and we saw him as a youngster and it was obvious he was going to go onto greater things. Under the correct guidence he is def one for the future 
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Steve Howard
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| Mac wrote: |
Lampard, brilliant for his club, for whatever reason not quite as proficient for Country. |
I find that to be a strange statement tbh. lampard was voted by England fans as player of the year two years running... being voted for above Gerrard... then, the media hate campaign started to gain momentum and it was touted around that Frank & Stevie me, couldn't play together.
That was fuelled largely by the Liverpool element of the press and pundits who saw Frank as a major threat to Gerrard retaining his England place, and the myth was created. Franks popularity went from hero to zero because of the media, and the sheep that bleated to the shepherds pipe.
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jimbob
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| Steve Howard wrote: | | Mac wrote: |
Lampard, brilliant for his club, for whatever reason not quite as proficient for Country. |
I find that to be a strange statement tbh. lampard was voted by England fans as player of the year two years running... being voted for above Gerrard... then, the media hate campaign started to gain momentum and it was touted around that Frank & Stevie me, couldn't play together.
That was fuelled largely by the Liverpool element of the press and pundits who saw Frank as a major threat to Gerrard retaining his England place, and the myth was created. Franks popularity went from hero to zero because of the media, and the sheep that bleated to the shepherds pipe. |
no,imo he is just useless and past his peak.gerrard is a completely different class to him and you think otherwise then you need your eyes checked.
gerrard-world class inspirational player
lampard-squad player
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Mac
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[quote="Steve Howard lampard was voted by England fans as player of the year two years running... being voted for above Gerrard... :[/quote]
Not by me he wasn't
And football is all about opinions.............. just pure coincidence mine is always right
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JAFFA
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And mine
kind regards Jeff
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wuzy
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well hearing the manager of pompy speak last nite after the game, he did mention that in his honest opinion, he thought that the England side was the best for a long time and it was a shame the they had not produced the goods when neccessary
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jimbob
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| wuzy wrote: | | well hearing the manager of pompy speak last nite after the game, he did mention that in his honest opinion, he thought that the England side was the best for a long time and it was a shame the they had not produced the goods when neccessary |
thats worrying because that either means other teams are progressing with leaps and bounds and England very slowly or one of the top english managers dont have a clue.
what about the days with seamen,shearer,gazza,lineker etc.i was to young to have seem them but i know we got to the semi's and mostly further then then we do now.
i think it is other teams progressing quicker because they play in the premiership.when alot of players kept to there leagues they werent as good but when they come here and play with the top european players and excel it stops english players coming through.
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fullylove007
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I agree with jimbob that english football is suffering because of the lack of young english talent coming through. and Mac even if you think that lamps is past it which i disagree with he is still the second best english centre mid we have so he gets in the team there is no1 else who could take his place and imo huddlestone is nothing special.
And to be honest once this England side have retired from international football then i cant see us qualifying for many major tuornaments because of the lack of young english talent thats why i like that new idea of 6 english players and 5 others.
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Mac
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Where did I say Lamps is "past it" He's a quality player, no doubt about that, but personally I think Steve Gerrad is better
To a certain extent I agree with the lack of English players playing in the Prem as a reason but if they were good enough they'd get into the team wouldn't they.
As for youngsters
Joe Hart
Micah Richards
Tom Huddlestone
Gabrial Agbonlahor
Theo Walcott
David Bentley
Wayne Rooney
Ashley Young
Dean Ashton
All under 25 (I think ) and have bags of potential
When the foreign influx of players seriously started it was a brilliant thing but now money has got silly and lower league teams can get players from abroad cheaper than buying English players, thats where the problem is.
Nobody can moan about the likes of Bergkamp, Zola, Henry, Cantona playing in The Prem, they were players that we could learn from. But there's loads of foreigners here in lower league (Derby have more than their fair share  ) that shouldn't be here. 
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jimbob
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| fullylove007 wrote: | lamps is he is still the second best english centre mid we have so he gets in the team there is no1 else
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er gareth barry!he calms the game down and brings confidence to others i think because he does his job so well it free's others to like gerrard.England are not bad they are just not good.
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Steve Howard
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| jimbob wrote: |
no,imo he is just useless and past his peak.gerrard is a completely different class to him and you think otherwise then you need your eyes checked.
gerrard-world class inspirational player
lampard-squad player |
And I'd suggest that your opinion is unbelievably wrong... and would also suggest that you are not in a position to question other, more considered opinions with ridiculous statements about visits to opticians!
Lampard is "useles" is he? - Well, Jimbob, thanks for your opinion, and it makes it easy for me now, as I don't need to argue with you as you obviously know very little about football...
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JAFFA
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I would suggest that Gerrard "is" and Barry "has" far surpassed Fat Frank(Milan or Barca will be his "pension fund and will find him out) as a "GENUINE" midfielder, not wingers, although the mighty Steve Gerrard can play that position and come to think of it so can Barry
Joe Cole is the absolute "KING" in my books as a true midfielder, but alias joined the wrong team  . A Liverpool or (pref) United shirt would have got the true best out of him. Ain't his fault as money talks  .
My opinion on Huddlestone is this(and I watch shed loads of him). Is he an international NOW?......Nope not a chance!.....But he is one of the MOST EXCITING players to emerge for a long time and if he progresses for another fortnight, then he will "MULLER" it all
kind regards Jeff
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fullylove007
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IMO barry is a boring footballer and only inpresses people with the amount of running he does
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JAFFA
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| fullylove007 wrote: | | IMO barry is a boring footballer and only inpresses people with the amount of running he does |
Captain of Villa.....15 million(potentially) to Liverpool.....England stalwart and possible run out as captain.....
How much football do you actually watch??????
Good greif 
kind regards Jeff
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fullylove007
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captain of villa yh ok but who else would
15mil to liverpool yup liverpool do like to waste money
england captain yh right 
and when im not fishing im watching football
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Steve Howard
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Jeff, it's about opinions, and I agree, Barry isn't at all inspirational and I too find him boring to watch.
I can understand why less knowledgable football fans claim that Gerrard is anything above average, and that its purely based on him having a good engine... but it is 'effort' largely wasted by running around like a headless chicken!
Lampard is far more cultured than either Barry or Gerrard ever could be, but because he doesn't tear up the turf in manic fashion doesn't mean that he doesn't work just as hard... a lot of what Frank does goes largely unnoticed because of his immense positional awareness... he doesn't need to try to recover the ground as much or as quickly as Gerrard because he's one step ahead
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fullylove007
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So we could say that
Lampard= technical footballer
Barry&Gerrard= working footballers
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Steve Howard
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Yup, that's my take on it...
Lampard = Gifted and skillful
Gerrard = workmanlike and blustering
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JAFFA
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This is lifted direct off the fantasy footie thing a lot of us entered and like Mac said earlier, leagues and rankings fairly lie!!!!!
Ronaldo MU 13.7 283
Fabregas AR 10.0 205
Gerrard LI 10.6 200
Barry AV 8.4 178
Bentley BR 8.3 169
Downing MI 7.1 166
Petrov MC 7.5 153
Elano MC 8.3 149
Lampard CH 11.1 149
Now look....This is only a fantasy football thing and there are 1000s out there, but all of them say the same thing.
| Quote: | So we could say that
Lampard= technical footballer
Barry&Gerrard= working footballers |
Err NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......He ain't but the other two are pure class.......Lamps technical???????....Do me a favour
You sure you watch football and not comedy programs.
Just remember folks....Its ONLY football
And just for the record. Ancelotti has just said NO for the second time and of course he ain't been approached. And equally the person who takes the job WILL be Chelseas FIRST choice
Its ONLY football lads
kind regards Jeff
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carfty carper no15
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Jaffa you got that right who ever chelsea hirer it will be there first choice england did it to.
and also lampard is not a technical but he is a good player for chelsea it is a shame he cant do it for england. i also have to agree with fullylove barry 15million is a waste of money if liverpool buy him, each year liverpool seem to be taking backwards steps because man utd and chelsea are buying world class player and liverpool are not. Dont get me wrong barry is a good player but not world class liverpool are selling anlonso he is a much better player that barry.
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Steve Howard
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| JAFFA wrote: | This is lifted direct off the fantasy footie thing a lot of us entered and like Mac said earlier, leagues and rankings fairly lie!!!!!
Ronaldo MU 13.7 283
Fabregas AR 10.0 205
Gerrard LI 10.6 200
Barry AV 8.4 178
Bentley BR 8.3 169
Downing MI 7.1 166
Petrov MC 7.5 153
Elano MC 8.3 149
Lampard CH 11.1 149
Now look....This is only a fantasy football thing and there are 1000s out there, but all of them say the same thing.
| Quote: | So we could say that
Lampard= technical footballer
Barry&Gerrard= working footballers |
Err NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......He ain't but the other two are pure class.......Lamps technical???????....Do me a favour
You sure you watch football and not comedy programs.
Just remember folks....Its ONLY football
And just for the record. Ancelotti has just said NO for the second time and of course he ain't been approached. And equally the person who takes the job WILL be Chelseas FIRST choice
Its ONLY football lads
kind regards Jeff |
Now, I know that you're not stupid, so I would have imagined that you'd have displayed a little bit more savvy here than you have here...
Lampard spent TWO major spells on the sidelines due to injury... In fact, up until sometime during his 2nd injury, he was STILL above Gerrard in the footie stats 
Secondly, you have made it abundantly clear that you are just being argumentative and anti-chelsea by bringing in topics other than that being discssed
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carfty carper no15
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so steve howard you are saying lampard is a better player than gerrad.
what state are you talking about club or country??
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Steve Howard
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Either, he IS a better player... when was Gerrard voted the England fans player of the year?
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carfty carper no15
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i would rather see gerrad in the man utd team then lampard, i think gerrad is a better player than lampard, you always get 110% from gerrad and that what people like about him, he bring other players into the game and he got a better shot than lampard. so i disagree with u steve i think gerrad is a better people
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Steve Howard
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Can you explain then, that if Gerrard has a 'better shot' why he hasn't EVER scored as many as Frank has, club or country?
And as I said previously (read my posts) THAT is exactly why people misconcieve that Gerrard is a 'better' player, he runs his socks off in a headless chicken manner that decieves people... his 'effort' is noticeable, but not anywhere near as effective as people seem to imagine!
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carfty carper no15
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steve do u support chelsea?
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Mac
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| carfty carper no15 wrote: | | steve do u support chelsea? |
Yes he does, even down to blue underpants and his missus has to sing "Blue is the colour" to him at night so he can get to sleep
CC, whatever gave you the impression Steve is a ChelSKI fan
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fullylove007
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Jaffa i dont reli watch comedy programs but your posts are making me chuckle.
How can you say lamps is not technical now im wondering how much football u actually watch and if what your saying is just cause you dislike chelsea, he plays for a world class team and he could get into any team in the world without question.
And if Boring barry was "pure class" as you say then he would bve playing for a pure class team and not villa.
And if your going to start bringing fantasy football in then you reli are a noddy.
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carfty carper no15
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mac it was just the way he seem to get upset when i say i dislike a chelsea player.
fullylove lampard does not play for a world class team chelsea world class good one
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fullylove007
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Ok pure class team
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Ben
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| fullylove007 wrote: |
How can you say lamps is not technical now im wondering how much football u actually watch and if what your saying is just cause you dislike chelsea, he plays for a world class team. |
whats this world class team?
it cant be england because we didnt even qualify for euros
chelsea? do you mean chelsea? world class?
all you have to do is look at their trophy cabinet from this year and the silverwear in it
oh theres nothing in it is there haha
world class team?
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fullylove007
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Look ben im noting taking any advice on football from a watford fan so just dont bother to look in the football section of this forum cause you no nothing about it ok
chelsea are a world class team just not this season
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carfty carper no15
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adam chelsea are not world class team but at least u got a manager now lol
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Ben
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yeah a watford fan, a realistic fan who isnt claiming there side is a world class team, and watford could beat chelsea on their day, well maybe lol
i know chelsea are not a world class team otherwise they would have silverwear to back it up!
you should really take note of what i say and come out of your little dreamland lol
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fullylove007
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imo a world class team is one that other teams dread playing and one that can challenge on the highist level, which i think you find chelsea did challenge for the champions league and the prem
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Ben
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well im a watford fan and i dont dread playing chelsea
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carfty carper no15
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yh but fullylove you won nothing,u lost to a world class to who u fear to face not one fear chelsea like ben said get out of dreamland
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fullylove007
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ben you dont dread playing chelsea because for chelsea to play watford would be an honour for you and sam chelsea fans were confident of winning the champions league final not dreading it
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Ben
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at the end of the day fullylove, you can tell yourself chelsea are world class but in reality, trophys and titles, your really not and your cabinet that has been gathering more cobwebs than my shed over last season only goes to prove that
as has been said a football team is only as good as their last game
and you lost that lol
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carfty carper no15
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ever one knew utd was going to win, so how i chelsea world class team, how many champion league u won
and well in ben
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fullylove007
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AS ive said before that IN MY OPINION a world class team is not just based on trophies but is based on what they can challenge for and one that other teams dont like playing agaisnt
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carfty carper no15
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adam the only thing chelsea can do is changenling because they cant win nothing like ben said what have you won this year.
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JAFFA
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| fullylove007 wrote: | Jaffa i dont reli watch comedy programs but your posts are making me chuckle.
How can you say lamps is not technical now im wondering how much football u actually watch and if what your saying is just cause you dislike chelsea, he plays for a world class team and he could get into any team in the world without question.
And if Boring barry was "pure class" as you say then he would bve playing for a pure class team and not villa.
And if your going to start bringing fantasy football in then you reli are a noddy. |
Young man be very careful what you wish for(with the noddy comments), I know you!
Barry will be playing for a world class outfit next season
Yes he does play for a world class team and he is one of there star attractions. He is not an England player though and he would NEVER get into the United side. Why?.......Because we already have better players that occupy his "single position he plays in".
And for your information and if you read enough of my postings over a period of time, you will quite quickly realise that I rate Essien as the finest midfielder(utility player) in the UK at the moment(not wingers). I have repeatedly said that Terry was a true world class player(alias no more). Cech is the finest goal keeper in the world playing today. Joe Cloe is nothing short of a complete footballing god and Ashley Cole is one miserable mother!. Oh and for good measure, I rate Drogba as one of the finest strikers around, even if he does dive a lot.
kind regards Jeff
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fullylove007
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Liverpool didnt win anything this year but they have won the champions league more times than you so are they world class?
well yes they are actually so ner
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carfty carper no15
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jaffa chelsea have some good player but they anit a world class team just look at there history. dorgba good strike lol good one jaffa
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carfty carper no15
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liverpool[u][b] were [/b][/u]a world class team.
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Ben
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yeah but there isnt any gobby liverpool fans on the forum claiming their team is world class!
lol
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fullylove007
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How do you know me then jaffa
anyway lets say lampard didnt play for chelsea put madrid and lamps said he wanted to play for united do you honestly think that fergusion could turn him down i mean you would put lamps in for scholes or even use lamps until anderson is ready
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carfty carper no15
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fullylove lampard would'nt be a untied player coz fer can see that there are much better player out there and i would rather have scholce than lampard
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JAFFA
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| fullylove007 wrote: | How do you know me then jaffa
anyway lets say lampard didnt play for chelsea put madrid and lamps said he wanted to play for united do you honestly think that fergusion could turn him down i mean you would put lamps in for scholes or even use lamps until anderson is ready |
Lampard could work for United in the boot room, but he is just not good enough to play for them.
Anyway this topic has run its course so its closed folks.
kind regards Jeff
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