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15 games to go....1 Man Utd 23 11 1 0 29 3 6 2 3 17 8 35 54
2 Arsenal 23 10 2 0 26 8 6 4 1 20 9 29 54
3 Chelsea 23 7 4 0 22 8 8 1 3 14 8 20 50
4 Everton 23 7 1 3 23 11 6 2 4 17 12 17 42
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5 Man City 23 9 3 0 20 8 2 4 5 10 16 6 40
6 Liverpool 21 4 5 1 21 7 6 4 1 14 7 21 39
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7 Aston Villa 22 7 1 4 19 15 4 5 1 21 13 12 39
8 Portsmouth 23 3 6 2 14 9 7 1 4 20 14 11 37
9 Blackburn 23 5 3 4 13 13 5 4 2 18 17 1 37
10 West Ham 22 4 4 3 14 12 5 2 4 14 9 7 33
11 Tottenham 23 6 1 4 32 21 1 5 6 12 19 4 27
12 Newcastle 23 5 4 3 16 17 2 2 7 11 22 -12 27
13 Middlesbrough 23 2 4 5 12 18 3 3 6 8 19 -17 22
14 Reading 23 6 1 5 14 17 0 3 8 16 32 -19 22
15 Bolton 23 5 3 4 17 11 0 3 8 7 23 -10 21
16 Birmingham 23 3 3 5 12 13 2 2 8 11 21 -11 20
17 Wigan 23 4 2 5 14 14 1 3 8 9 25 -16 20
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18 Sunderland 23 5 3 3 13 13 0 2 10 9 29 -20 20
19 Fulham 23 2 5 5 16 21 0 4 7 7 21 -19 15
20 Derby 23 1 2 8 7 20 0 2 10 4 30 -39 7
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PeteB
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..... and it's really not looking that good for Chelski's chances is it??? 
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richchappy
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whats the lowest everf point score in the premiership
derby may set a new record
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Mac
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16 Rich, we need 10 points to avoid an unwanted record 
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Steve Howard
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| PeteB wrote: | | ..... and it's really not looking that good for Chelski's chances is it??? |
Really??? 
I think you ought to post again once you've sobered up a little Pete... your eyes look a liitle too red methinx  
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Steve Howard
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1 Man Utd 23 H 11 1 0 - A 6 2 3 - pts 54
2 Arsenal 23 H 10 2 0 - A 6 4 1 - pts 54
3 Chelsea 23 H 7 4 0 - A 8 1 3 - pts 50
That was just three games ago - look at just how quickly things can change.
1 Arsenal 26 H 12 2 0 - A 7 4 1 - pts 63
2 Man Utd 26 H 12 1 1 - A 6 3 3 - pts 58
3 Chelsea 26 H 8 5 0 - A 8 2 3 - pts 55
If anyone thinks its all over, perhaps they should think again!
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carpcruncher
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| Mac wrote: | | 16 Rich, we need 10 points to avoid an unwanted record |
you'd get goods odds down the bookies for us to survive earning that record.
put a tenner on and you wouldn't have to work for a year 
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Steve Howard
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Arsenal 28 12 3 0 - 7 5 1 - 65
Man Utd 28 12 1 1 - 8 3 3 - 64
Chelsea 27 8 5 0 - 9 2 3 - 58
Another 2 points pulled back on the leaders 8) 
Shoulda been 3 but, typical of them, l'arse salvaged a point with 5 seconds to go!  
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Steve Howard
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There could be trouble aheadFor the gooners
Sunday, 23 March 2008
Barclays Premier League
Chelsea v Arsenal, 16:00
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Saturday, 29 March 2008
Barclays Premier League
Bolton v Arsenal, 15:00
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Saturday, 05 April 2008
Barclays Premier League
Arsenal v Liverpool, 15:00
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Sunday, 13 April 2008
Barclays Premier League
Man Utd v Arsenal, 16:00
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maple
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the way manure are playing , i think top spot is theres to loose .
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JAFFA
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| maple wrote: | | the way manure are playing , i think top spot is theres to loose . |
Most of the bookies have
Untied 4/6
Arsenal 2/1
Chelsea 5/1
To win the title now.
I still got a sneaky feeling that Arsenal will end up third. I also think they will go out of Europe this week.
kind regards Jeff
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maple
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i see your man scoles is back on top form again jeff (very good player is scoles )
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JAFFA
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| maple wrote: | | i see your man scoles is back on top form again jeff (very good player is scoles ) |
Good honest player in my books
kind regards Jeff
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Steve Howard
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This is my prediction
Chelsea - 91
Man Utd - 89
Arsenal - 85
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Steve Howard
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1 Arsenal 29 - 66
2 Man Utd 28 - 64
3 Chelsea 27 - 58
Gooners are goners!
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PeteB
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"Gooners are goners!"
They will finish above Chelski but below Utd.....  
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Steve Howard
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Pete, you have gotten your predictions so consistently wrong I love it when you say things like that
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Steve Howard
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Roman AbrahmovicIt's rather strange that Roman has never spoken to the UK press, and yet they still mysteriously 'know' his plans... yeah rite! 
"Chelsea are poised to lose as many as 10 players - including top stars Frank Lampard and Didier Drogba - in a mass £60m summer clear-out ordered by owner Roman Abramovich. (Daily Express) "
What utter twaddle... pure supposition and speculation based purely on the need to try to unsettle chelsea at this crucial point in time, nothing more, nothing less!
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Steve Howard
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1 Arsenal 29 - 66
2 Man Utd 28 - 64
3 Chelsea 28 - 61
Mission impossible?
Pipe dream?
Forget all the other games for a minute - this is how it will look if Chelsea beat Man U and Arsenal at Stamford Bridge!
1 Chelsea 30 - 67 8)
2 Arsenal 30 - 66
3 Man Utd 29 - 64
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Jim
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| Steve Howard wrote: |
Forget all the other games for a minute - this is how it will look if Chelsea beat Man U and Arsenal at Stamford Bridge!
1 Chelsea 30 - 67 8)
2 Arsenal 30 - 66
3 Man Utd 29 - 64 |
IF IF IF from a Chalski fan... If The Arsenal had won all our games we would be a further 21 points ahead of everyone else.. go on get the calculator out.
Arsenal where all over Chelski at The Emerites and we scored 2 goals that where disallowed, should be an easy game for us 1-3. Your never gonna turn Manure over they just edge you slightly and can see a draw on that game... so I make it with the 3 top teams playing each other... Arsenal to turn Manure over at there place 0-1 the table will look like this...
1 Arsenal 30 - 72
2 Man Utd 29 - 65
3 Chelsea 30 - 61
Chelski, next seasons premiership fodder when they have a mass walk out off discontented players.
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Steve Howard
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IF IF IF.... indeed, you had won all of your games... but you didn't, did ya!
And IF - and if you deny the possibility, you're suffering a serious case of blind faith - Chelsea beat Arse & Manure, the title is wide open!
It's my opinion, and has been for a very long time, that Arsenal will not win the PL... and what I've witnessed over the past month or so, has reinforced and endorsed that.
For Chelsea to win the title, they may have to win every game, but they are more than capable of doing just that, and despite any loyalty anyone has for Arsenal or Man U, they'd be very foolish to think it impossible... that's my point.
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Jim
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LOL Steve, you have faith, you need it as well being a Chelsea fan , The Arsenal are doing well considering we where apparantly fighting for the 4th spot with the yids this season, if you took in what ALL the pundits had said before the start of the season we wasn't in the running. Then all the pundits said we will be 3rd by Christmas, Christmas has come and gone. Need to buckle up in the defence but with a couple of key member coming back to the team.. who know's, could be our year and we could win it again. Unlike Chelski and thier purchase of the title on 2 occasions, the same as Blackburn, look where they are now, history has a way off repeating itself. 
Looks like it will be a good run in, at the moment we are the best team in the premiership and hopefully it will stay that way on the 11th May.
PS Do you go often Steve ?
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Steve Howard
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Sometimes its important to just look back at last season and just compare the scenarios in the PL at this point in time (ie. Chelsea having played 28 games). Irrespective of whether you feel Chelsea can win or will not win the PL, this makes interesting reading:
Chelsea 2006/07 (at 28 games - 14 Home, 14 Away):
Pld 28, Won 19, Draw 6, Lost 3, GF 50, GA 19, GD +31, 63 Points.
Chelsea 2007/08 (at 28 games - 14 Home, 14 Away)
Pld 28, Won 18, Draw 7, Lost 3, GF 48, GA 18, GD +30, 61 Points.
Now comparitively, you'd definitely say that we're worse off this season (only just). But the other key factor is the other contenders in the title race.
In 2006/07, at this point ManU had played a game extra were placed on 72 points from 29 games. Man U had to play us at SB in April, in what would have been a virtual title decider. They had already played their games against Arsenal (although I'm not sure whether they had played Liverpool at Anfield). 2 teams vying for the title: a 9 point gap. Both teams still involved in the competitions remaining (CL, FAC).
2007/08: Arsenal, the current leaders, have played 29 games and now have 66 points, ManU have 64 from 28. We all know that both of them have to come to SB. What's also interesting and perhaps important is the form of the 4th placed team - Liverpool. They may well play a decisive role in this, as they have to play both Arsenal and ManU. Plus unlike last season, there is also a ManU-Arsenal game to be played. To sum up there are a lot of games where points can be dropped especially amongst the big teams.
Unlike last season, what we now have this season are 3 contenders for the title, and only 5 points separating them. As is very obvious to most, all three teams are still alive in the same number of competitions.
We may not end up winning the title, but I think there's a very realistic possibility of us going full throttle to win this title. We lost the PL crown last season, with 2 games to spare. I don't think the eventual winner will have such a luxury of winning it that early, unless they go an all conquering run from now on. But there's a possibility that by mid-April only 2 teams may be contending for the title.
Win or lose, its an interesting set of circumstances to be involved in.
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Steve Howard
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1 Man Utd 29 - 67
2 Arsenal 30 - 67
3 Chelsea 29 - 64
The blue tide is swelling and ready to swamp all over the reds!
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PeteB
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Steve.... you've gone quiet...
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Mac
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| PeteB wrote: | | Steve.... you've gone quiet... |
Thinks hes outside Stamford Bridge (if he can find it  ) with all the others and their posters and bill boards
"Grant out!"
I'm looking forward to someone defending Grant and say he's the right manager for any club never mind a "top 4" 3.1 and 4.3 up, any manager worth his salt should be out saying his guys were terrible and they should have won the game. Why did he take the best player on the pitch (Joe Cole) off? I say best player just going by what the papers says, and they are always true
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PeteB
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I must say a great thank you to the Yids... 8)
I think Arsenal will be the test though.... Much pain and gnashing of teeth afterwards....
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maple
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i expected a reply on my thread about the game , but nothing ? he must be feeling blue
joe cole did play well in spurts ( they showed highlights after the utd game )
to be honest , in the end they were lucky to get a draw , oh so nearly berby
mind you they should of been down to 10 men , but the ref bottled it 
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PeteB
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Should have been a yellow/red for the tackle and a yellow for turning his back on the ref.... either way, he should have walked....
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maple
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spot on pete .
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JAFFA
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| PeteB wrote: | | Steve.... you've gone quiet... |
He is actually fishing in Spain folks, but I am sure he will respond when he comes back.
kind regards Jeff
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PeteB
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Part 1 of super Sunday achieved... now only Arsenal to beat Chelski to go....
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PeteB
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Oh well.... can't have everything in life.... 5 points clear then....
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maple
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flipping useless arse
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IanD
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Well what can I day... gonna have to be totally magmanimous in defeat because the win was thoroughly deserved.
Great game of football... none of this Mourinho v Wenger [censored] that's been built up over the years, just a great honest game of football.
We had our chances, which was amazing considering the front two were totally anonimous but we stuck at it and had a go. I think we deserved our 1-0 lead too.
But then the steamroller that is Chelsea started to drive and love 'em or hate 'em, when they get moving and attacking with the force they do, not many teams can stick with them. They really did thoroughly derserve the 3 points over the 95 minutes and 37 seconds...
Whether this means we settle for 3rd place now - who knows. It all depends how Arsenal are effected by the defeat. Self destruct is an option right now but I can see us battling it out to the last game for 2nd place with Chelsea.
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PeteB
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So, in the absence of an alien invasion rendering the planet devoid of life, what is there now to stop Utd retaining The title??
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Steve Howard
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Chelsea 2 Manure 1
Manure 1 L'arse 2
That's what!
You plastic mancs are sooo full of it, I just can't wait to see the tears flowing!
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Steve Howard
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1 Man Utd 32 - 76
2 Chelsea 32 - 71
3 Arsenal 32 - 70
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JAFFA
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| Steve Howard wrote: | 1 Man Utd 32 - 76
2 Chelsea 32 - 71
3 Arsenal 32 - 70
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Game on now Steve. Arsenals lucky escape yesterday and your hard fought win today has set it up nicely
kind regards Jeff
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Steve Howard
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Chasing hard m8
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JAFFA
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| Steve Howard wrote: | | Chasing hard m8 |
All you can do buddy and as you will know, its Uniteds to lose now. I say as you know, only becuase Chelsea have been in the same postition and so have Arsenal in past years.
Uniteds to lose and fair play to any team that take it off em.
kind regards Jeff
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PeteB
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"Chelsea 2 Manure 1
Manure 1 L'arse 2 "
Only of any use if Chelski win EVERY game... L'arse cannot do it even with that.. Utd would need to lose another.... Face it Steve, it is Utd's to chuck away... personally I think L'arse will be taught another lesson in football when they return to Old Trafford and as for Chelski, it will be fun.. 0-3 is my prediction based on your efforts today...
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Steve Howard
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I don't see a problem Pete... I think that any of the top six are capable of winning 6 games on the spin... and if Chelsea can do that, they'll win the league, as I've predicted
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Steve Howard
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| PeteB wrote: | | Utd would need to lose another.... Face it Steve, it is Utd's to chuck away... |
1 Man Utd 33 - 77  Borough 2 Utd 2 How LUCKY were YOU!
2 Chelsea 33 - 74 8)
3 Arsenal 33 - 71 
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Steve Howard
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With 15 games to go:
1 Man Utd 23 - 54
2 Arsenal 23 - 54
3 Chelsea 23 - 50
With 5 games to go:
1 Man Utd 33 - 77 (+23 pts)
2 Chelsea 33 - 74 (+24 pts)
3 Arsenal 33 - 71 (+17 pts)
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Steve Howard
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Here's something interesting, between last season's League position and this season's position after 33 games.
LAST SEASON
2006/07 (after 33 games):
1. ManUtd - Pld 33, Won 26, Draw 3, Lost 4, GD +54, Pts 81
2. Chelsea - Pld 33, Won 24, Draw 6, Lost 3, GD +40, Pts 78
THIS SEASON
2007/08 (after 33 games):
1. ManUtd - Pld 33, Won 24, Draw 5, Lost 4, GD +53, Pts 77
2. Chelsea - Pld 33, Won 22, Draw 8, Lost 3, GD +35, Pts 74
Same gap of 3 points at this stage, in both seasons.
At this point last season we hit a bad run of form by drawing our last 5 PL games on the trot. This was because the general tiredness of the squad started to creep in.
Last season, in the last 6 games, ManU amassed only 6 points (final tally of 89 pts), while we added only 5 more points.
Of course the last 2 PL games (including the one against ManU) were not important because the title had been won the game before that.
Its all on the 36th game, at the Bridge between us and ManU... that would now seem to be the possible title decider if Utd draw or lose another game anywhere.
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JAFFA
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| Quote: | | At this point last season we hit a bad run of form by drawing our last 5 PL games on the trot. This was because the general tiredness of the squad started to creep in. |
Here we go!
All teams get tired, but some just want it more
Steve whoever wins the leauge will win it buddy, regardless of any reasons we decide to put forward.......And fair play to em buddy
Wigan for the cup in 09
kind regards Jeff
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Steve Howard
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'Here we go'??
Jeff, not 'all' teams suffered the ridiculous amount of long term, and repeat injuries to key players that Chelsea did last term - and again this year - it was FAR from what can normally be expected, and that put an incredible amount of pressure on an already hard pushed and depleted squad competing on ALL four fronts.
Whether you agree or not, it's a fact, and it is this type of scenario that can and does effect the squads overall performance in games toward the back end of the season... it's ridiculous to suggest that it doesn't!
Funny things is, one of the commentators in the borough v utd game suggested that utd were suffering a bit, and that was a contributory factor for them dropping two points today!! You have one or two missing... at one stage this season - as with last - we had 8 first choice players missing... and even this week we had just as many missing as utd did!
Now, it is of NO coincidence that the struggling teams are generally those who suffer the worst luck during the course of a relegation season, and its NO coincidence that the winning teams, cup and league, are the ones who enjoy a greater than average slice of good fortune... last minute goals etc, in both cases, that determine where points go.
"All teams get tired, but some just want it more"
and some teams, want it more but don't get it, because of some of the reasons above... When one or two points, or even goal difference, is the deciding factor, top or bottom, then 'luck', level of injuries, and victories/defeats at the right/wrong moment in time can most definitely be defining moments.
Some see the glass half full, some see it half empty,,,
I see defining moments as 'REASONS', not 'EXCUSES' If Ronaldo breaks a leg and cannot play for half a season... believe me, you'll be severely effected! - That will be a REASON for your failure, not an excuse as you always maintain.
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JAFFA
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No excuses from me Steve and never will be......
kind regards Jeff
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Steve Howard
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The fact that you don't recognise 'reasons' from 'excuses' means little to me ol' chum... I can see the wood from the trees m8
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PeteB
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So what you are actually sating then Steve is that when Chelski lose the Premiership by more than 2 points, it is just purely that they were not good enough... or have I read your post wrong??
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Steve Howard
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Pete, what you or I 'think' means nothing... the teams will determine what happens... If you are still on your denial trip, so be it, but its a long fall for you buddy, with all of your arrogant claims.. I, on the other hand have not made such bold statements, just that there is a potential for my team to overhaul Utd... and its looking ever-more possible, isn't it.
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Steve Howard
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| JAFFA wrote: | No excuses from me Steve and never will be......
kind regards Jeff |
Not you, maybe. That doesn't stop Fergie from moaning about vidic being sidelined... he must be so relieved that Ferdinand didn't break his foot... perish the thought that utd would be left without their TWO central defenders... like Chelsea have been two years running at crucial stages... excuses? Not a bit, 'reasons'. Ask Fergie.
Arsenal - without Adabadday, toothless
Liverpool - With Stevie Me and/or Torres, toothless
Mancs - Without Rooney and/or Ronaldo, toothless
If you can't recognise that one or two missing key players can affect a teams overall performance drastically, then I am left to ponder somewhat!
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JAFFA
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Steve you have spoken to me often enough about this subject on the phone and bankside to know where I stand.
Yes teams do suffer when certain players go on the missing list and yes managers and most fans moan and groan about it all.
I sit and think, whats the point?
Anyone with half an ounce of footbal sense, can see when your better players are out and the reason there out for. You got a squad of players, so put your best avalible team out and get on with it.
kind regards Jeff
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PeteB
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"Its all on the 36th game, at the Bridge between us and ManU... that would now seem to be the possible title decider if Utd draw or lose another game anywhere"
Or Chelski mess up against relegation strugglers Wigan.... Sod Barclaycard.. tonight WAS Priceless....
I think the 36th game has now been made just another game... 8)
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Steve Howard
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Yet again you prove the downright stupididity of your comments Pete
A very lucky draw (you should have been 3 down, not one) against Blackburn saved your bacon m8
PS, I do so hope that your words come back to haunt you on the last day of the season when YOU play the relegation strugglers
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Steve Howard
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1 Man Utd 36 - 81
2 Chelsea 36 - 81
3 Arsenal 35 - 74
4 Liverpool 36 - 70
....and coming up to draw level on the outside rail is 'pride of chelsea' - who has been gaining hand over fist on the weary looking favourite 'not so special united' for some time... it's a straight race to the line now, but 'not so special united' still retains a massive handicap advantage.
There's no doubt that 'pride of chelsea' has done remarkably well to peg back the pre-race favourite, especially after unseating its 'rider' half way through, but this neck-and-neck run-in is still not over. 'Not so special united' used a great deal of its energy trying to stay in front, and now it has been caught we'll have to see if it can navigate the last two hurdles safely... here we go then....
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Steve Howard
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| Steve Howard wrote: | Chelsea 2 Manure 1
I just can't wait to see the tears flowing! |
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Steve Howard
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| Steve Howard wrote: | Pete, what you or I 'think' means nothing... the teams will determine what happens... If you are still on your denial trip, so be it, but its a long fall for you buddy, with all of your arrogant claims.. I, on the other hand have not made such bold statements, just that there is a potential for my team to overhaul Utd... and its looking ever-more possible, isn't it.
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